Fluoridation – Our Rogues Gallery

❝…Unfortunately well-meaning, but ill-informed, people
are the ones who sometimes drive the agenda rather
than listening to evidence and experts...
Dr. M. Brown (Qld.Health)

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F.Rogues Gallery

Last updated –10th April 2017
WE WISH TO THANK OUR LOYAL SUPPORTERS WORLD WIDE
The pictures hanging in our ‘ROGUES GALLERY’ are of  SOME
of  those who promoted artificial water fluoridation in the
knowledge that it was an expensive dangerous fraud.
Some of these people did, or intended to do, other
great things, but failed to resist or intentionally
$upported The Nefarious Fluoridation Hoax.
WE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED BY THEM

OUR HALL OF SHAME (not comprehensive)
The continued promotion of artificial water fluoridation in the face
of mounting adverse evidence and criticism requires some evaluation:

It seems that the proponents hit upon an idea years ago which appealed to them, and which they felt was sound. As their claims for safety are progressively discredited, rather than acknowledge this, they persist in condoning the original evidence. At the same time they are still lending their prestige to such equivocation. Certainly the proponents of fluoridation are not intent upon poisoning or harming anyone, however, the dilemma of prestige is still a very difficult matter for them to resolve.

The tide of fluoridated water is ebbing fast and many may be stranded on
The lonely beach of despair.

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Fluoridation: A Horror Story
  By Wade Frazier  
  www.ahealedplanet.net/fluoride.htm  

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  The University of Rochester  
Rochester Uni. infamous for research at the time of
the Manhattan Project  secretly injected people
with plutonium without their knowledge, –
using them as experimental guinea pigs.
It still promotes fluoridation –
which is also experimental.

H.C. Hodge

A CAREER OF CONCEALING THE TRUTH
The author of the 1944 CNS research proposal was
Harold C. Hodge, chief of fluoride toxicology studies for the
University of Rochester’s division of the Manhattan Project.
Much of the proof of fluoride’s alleged safety in low doses rests on the

postwar work done at the University of Rochester
in anticipation of lawsuits against the bomb
program for human injury.

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Eddie Bernays

Edward Bernays
 Engineering of Consent  ”
He was an Austrian-American pioneer
in the field of  public relations and propaganda,
named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the
20th century by Life magazine. He believed in a sort of
“Enlightened Despotism” ideology.
Bernays also pioneered the PR industry’s use of psychology
and other social sciences to design his public persuasion campaigns.

He played a key role in selling fluoride to New Yorkers in the 1960′s.
❝ If New Yorkers will accept fluoride, other cities will follow. ❞
See New York letters below at the time 1963
‘The Peasants Are Revolting’
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QUAESTUARY

Sir R. Doll

Sir Richard Doll by (ICFI)
Expert for Hire –
He lied under oath on fluoridation and cancer.
Sir Richard Doll, received millions of dollars in consulting fees
from chemical companies, asbestos companies, and other
industries which create carcinogenic materials.

Fluoride: Lies, Brown Envelopes, Subterfuge and Corruption
Among other retainers he received $1000 a day (rising to $1500 a day)

for over thirty years from Monsanto.

Yet in scientific publications, as an expert witness
and before government authorities he often
defended these chemicals against evidence they caused cancer.

According to the UK based group injurywatch.co.uk in a sidebar entitled –
“Sir Richard Doll: The Industry man?”
   They note:
In 1976, in spite of well-documented concerns on the risks of fluoridation of drinking water with industrial wastes,  Doll declared that it was “unethical” not to do so.”
Thus fluoride may have been the first suspected carcinogen that Doll protected.
He defended water fluoridation in $cientific papers, public statements,
and court testimony.     See also →  The Case Of Sir Richard Doll.

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Former president of the International Association for
Dental Research, University of  Rochester
Rockefeller Dental Fellow 1930 / Dean Tufts University
School of Dental Medicine.

Director Eastman Dental Centre 1947-1970.
He is credited with demonstrating fluoride would prevent caries.
To his credit he researched the use of adhesive plastics for restorative dentistry.
HE PROMOTED FLUORIDATION TO NHMRC (Aust.)
He is therefore the main link between the US nuclear
weapons 
industry and the Fluoridation of Australia.
FLUORIDATION BECAME AN AUSTRALIAN POLICY AT THIS POINT.

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Noel Martin

He was→ →  the architect of fluoridation in Australia  ← ←
He argued that breast-fed children should be given
fluoride supplements
because they are ‘deprived’ of fluoride.

Professor Martin’s Fluoridation Influence Successful But Misguided

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Fluoridation is Chaetiferous

Prof. Wendell Evans

 The processing of phosphate fertilizer results in smoke stack emissions of silicofluorides and other contaminants, which are significant environmental pollutants?  The US EPA and other governmental agencies require these pollutants to be “scrubbed” from the chimneys to protect the environment people, flora, fauna, farm animals and crops from damage. However, this unprocessed liquid scrubbing mixture, called hydrofluorosilicic acid, is sold to municipalities as a sauce of  fluoride to be added to otherwise clean safe drinking water. Please tell your colleagues.

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The AMA Dictates Policy !

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UNESCO – Legal Instruments –
Universal Declaration on Bioethics
and Human Rights – 19 October 2005

ARTICLE 6 – CONSENT:

   invert commas purple 1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. This consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice. 21… ❞

An affirmation by Jeannette Young 15 January 2013
Fluoride is essential for dental health according to the Chief Health Officer:

“Implementing fluoridisation in water is the most important way local governments can improve the dental health of their communities” according to Queensland’s Chief Health Officer Dr Jeannette Young. The Department of Health has written to every local government in Queensland, offering to meet and discuss the health benefits of fluoridation. Several local governments have taken up the offer and Dr Young is hopeful others will follow.  –  HOWEVER:-

Recent changes to Queensland’s legislation means local governments now have the decision making power to determine if it is in the best interests of their communities to implement, continue or cease water fluoridation.
Dr Young said World Health Organisation studies showed adding fluoride to water supplies was a safe and effective   - LD 50 / ED50 way of reducing tooth decay. She said fluoride was not harmful to people’s health, despite the widespread scaremongering on the issue. “In the small amounts that are used in water supplies, fluoride is not harmful,” Dr Young said. “There is no evidence to show fluoride, in the amounts used in water supplies, has any detrimental health effects. “In fact, studies have shown that people with good dental health have better overall health. “Townsville has been using fluoride in its water supplies since 1964 and it has not resulted in any health problems there. “There is no reliable evidence of any adverse health effects to communities which have already implemented fluoride in their water supplies.” Queensland’s Chief Dental Officer Dr Rhys Thomas said fluoride was proven to strengthen teeth and prevent tooth decay. “Ultimately it is up to local authorities to implement and continue fluoridation. But we hope that they are making decisions armed with all the facts,” Dr Thomas said. “Studies have shown that the use of fluoride benefits everyone regardless of their age or access to dental care. “Australian Child Dental Health surveys consistently show that Queensland children have levels of tooth decay well above the national average. https://twitter.com/qldhealthnews or https://www.facebook.com/QLDHealth “ The use of fluoride is one way of turning this around.”

Dr Jeannette Young, recently stated words to the effect:

invert commas purpleIn medicine not many things are BLACK and WHITE,
but water
 fluoridation is one of those things .”
We agree  –  IT IS - BLACK … 

“Queensland Health – the new unelected dictatorship of Queensland”

Science in $tereo

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Forced-Fluoridation Is Medical Malpractice
On An Industrial Scale.

Upton Sinclair

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BOVARISM

David Coggon

He has enough letters after his name to make a good serve of alphabet
soup, however his constant defence of fluoridation casts a
shadow over his knowledge and sincerity.
Just following orders didn’t work as a defense for the Nazis and it
shouldn’t work for those who poison our water either!

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PARALOGISM

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Dr. Rachael Dunlop is the Vice-President
of the Australian Skeptics Inc. and by association
supports water fluoridation – not good for her image.
No army can withstand the strength of an idea
whose time has come.
-Victor Hugo

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“…The number of complaints against dental
dental practitioners is increasing…”
Your policy on fluoridation may
have something to do with this!
The time has come for the “Australian Skeptics”
to be skeptical about fluoridation!

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Fluoridation and Scientific Myopia

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“The National Health & Medical Research Council
 have skilfully assembled this report to reach
their intended rasorial conclusions.

Health Issues Prompt Australian Review

FULL MEMBERSHIP LIST OF
THE NHMRC FLUORIDE REFERENCE GROUP

Emeritus Professor Judith Whitworth,
Ms Debra Petrys, Professor Sharon Goldfeld,
Professor Vicki Anderson, Professor Dallas English,
Professor Mathew Gillespie, Professor Alison Jones,
Emeritus Professor A. John Spencer, Professor Clive Wright,
Associate Professor Frederic Leusch, Professor Wendy Rogers,
Doctor Meenakshi Arora,  Associate Professor Stephen Corbett,
Professor Mike Morgan, Adjunct Professor Kaye Roberts-Thomson,

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SOME OF THE FACES OF THE NHMRC FLUORIDE REFERENCE GROUP

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BIASES IN THE 2016 NHMRC DRAFT REPORT

We hope to see the above  faces→ HERE

“The aim of a research project is not to discover new facts 
we already know; we are merely furnishing scientific proof.”
Col. Wilhelm Klink, Hogan’s Heroes.

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AXIOPISTY FREE ZONE

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Dr Steven Donohue, Dr Michael Foley and Public Health
physician Dr Greg Jackson, – These pro-fluoride speakers said
fluoride was not a medication or a waste product and that
fluoridation was simply about topping up the natural
levels of fluoride in water, for optimum dental health!

Queensland Shires Rejecting Fluoridation

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AXIOPISTY FREE ZONE

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     Michael Foley:  invert commas purple… Try to avoid debates in public or on the radio or TV in which anti-fluoridationists also appear.  Disproving anti-fluoridationists claims takes considerably longer than making claims in the first place, and some degree of doubt from the original claim will often still be left. Simply holding a debate reinforces the perception that both sides have equally valid viewpoints. Don’t give them that respectability… “

  Michael Foley:  invert commas purple… The science is very much on one side of the argument.
There are no reputable health authorities anywhere in the world that oppose water fluoridation. There are certainly individuals and sometimes smart individuals and there are certainly single issue groups, but the health groups around the world and the science groups around the world are strongly
on the side of fluoridation…” – ABC TV  7.30 – 27 Feb. 2013.

See → LEGAL WINS AND ARGUMENTS.

 Channel 7 news item on fluoride – Good Friday 2015

Mercury is know to be a associated with madness!

… Mercury levels in blood of dental professionals ranged from 0.6 to 57 ug/L …

READ & SHARE FAN’S SUBMISSION TO THE FDA

See also →  DR. FOLEY’S FLUORIDE FAN CLUB 

More on Hypothyroidism and Fluorides

As a Member, Dr. Foley may need to re-read
The Code of Ethics – IADR

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FARRAGINOUS EXPLANATIONS

Dr.Greg Jackson

Queensland Health Water Program Director Dr. Greg Jackson,
Brisbane Dental Hospital director,  Dr. Michael Foley and
Townsville public health physician Dr. Steven Donohue.
The three pro-fluoride speakers said ” fluoride
was not a medication or a waste product
and that fluoridation was simply

about topping up the natural
levels of fluoride in water,
for optimum dental
health.”
Extracts from:‘ Science & Survival ‘ by Barry Commoner 1963
… Like the sorcerer’s apprentice,  we are acting
upon dangerously incomplete knowledge. We are, in effect,
conducting a huge experiment on ourselves.  A generation hence-
too late to help-public health statistics may reveal what
hazards are associated with these pollutants … ❞
 1940 Disney film Fantasia

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Dr Birch said the ADAQ wanted all water in Queensland 
fluoridated as the health benefits were
well researched and studied.
We agree, very well researched…
FDA’s definition of – “Safe & Effective”
Median Doses: LD50, ED50, and TD50 – definitions

♦ [ Population 4.8 Million,
Do you wish to make so many enemies?
James Forrestal US Defense Secretary anti-fluoridation
30 Aust. Defence Bases Contaminated With Fluoride Chemical (PFOA)

We hope to see you on This Post one day.
Happiness is when what you think, what you say,
and what you do are in harmony – Mahatma Gandhi

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“ My goal is to represent and serve the members of our association
and continue building a strong membership and financial base
that provides us with a powerful lobbying platform.”
Your push for fluoridation seems to be more

of a priority than the health of the State!
See some F. info from PubMed

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However full text → HERE
Fluoride Free Dentists  More  More

The ADA have been repeating triceratillion times the same
old
 fossilised message for 50 + years:
Chant F. Safe...
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it,
and eventually they will believe it.”

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FACTOID…

Dr.Christensen

Yeppoon (Qld.) dentist John Christensen believes a decision to remove
fluoride from Rockhampton region’s water supply would defy all logic. *
  A previous resident disagreed…  
inver com.opening Fluoridation is a policy not a science. inver com.closing
With possible legal implications as per recent declaration by

Insurance Companies for promoters such as your self.
* Rockhampton is the State’s 24th council to get rid of fluoridation
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The AMA Dictates Policy

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Anna Bligh Ex-Premier of Queensland
Forced Fluoridation On Four Million Queenslanders
Letters sent to her by us and others:→  HERE  

ADA / Qld. Labour Party Collusion:
The Queensland Health Department, under  Anna Bligh
funded The Australian Dental Association Queensland Branch,
$220,000 as a CON-tribution to its pro-fluoridation campaign.
The request for this funding was directed to the
Hon. Stephen Robertson MP. The Minister
for Health at the time, Feb. 2006.

We tried Anna

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Dr. M. Brown (Chief Dental Officer, Dept. of Health, Queensland),
fluoridation resulted in reduced tooth decay, with Townsville
children having the lowest prevalence of dental rot among all four

regions.  Unfortunately well-meaning, but ill-informed, people
are the ones who sometimes drive the agenda rather

than listening to evidence and experts. 
Fluoride Intake Increasing Bone Fractures

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Tanya Plibersek

   Previous Australian Federal Health Minister — Tanya Plibersek.  
You made it to this gallery not because you were the Minister for Health,

but because of your pro- fluoride outburst on ‘Q & A’ (TV) 18 Feb. 2013
(A departure from the calm poise and patience you are noted for.)
Tania please have a chat to one of your predecessors ↓ 
Former Federal Health Minister

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Prof. Spencer

Founding Director of  ARCPOH – Another slow learner !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp3wJjzrrhE
A new direction is required, — or may be, a new Director !
M
ay be too close to ‘Colgate’ – Compromised $cience!

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J.

Trying to defend the indefensible.
See more info on Jason Armfield   HERE
http://www.nofluoride.com/pres… 
RE-EXAMINATION OF ACUTE TOXICITY OF FLUORIDE
 by Kenji Akiniwa, Tokyo, Japan ↑

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Quackpot

MENDACILOQUENT
(A)  Dr. $tephen Barrett

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Michael Easley

‘Quack Watch’   (B)  Also paid by companies to lie.

Eliz.Whalen

‘Quack Watch’  (C) – Also Paid by companies to lie.

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Lord Mayor Dobbin

He believes his biggest achievement on council, was the introduction
of fluoride into Yass, NSW water supply – June 1956.

❝ It was not easy persuading some of the locals of the public health benefits of fluoride.
In fact, the dental professional says it was a real battle, and one where even after the
vote to add fluoride to the water had been won, there was a real chance of a
rescission if the balance of power on the Council shifted.  ❞

 See our post  →   ‘DEATH CERTIFICATE AND LETTERS.’  

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McBride

Fluoridation promoter-

Gynaecologist – Dr. William McBride was exposed for fraudulent
research. In 1979 McBride carried the fluoridation torch
for the NSW Health Dept., the AMA, ADA and
the  Sydney University Dental Health
Education & Research Foundation.

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John Carnie f

vic. cheif Health...
For some inexplicable reason Dr Carnie and other fluoridation promoters
appear more intent on protecting this outdated practice than protecting
the health of the Australian people    We are not amused
 “ Some cause happiness wherever they go;
others, whenever they go.” – Oscar  Wilde

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Kim Hames

“It is one thing to use fluorides on the enemy in times of war, 
but it is quite another to use it on your own population
after the war is over in the form of fluoridation.
Is that what our soldiers went to war and died for?”
– Glen Walker –
♦ SARIN = Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl-Fluoride (nerve gas)
Sarin  also known as GB.
SOMAN = Picacolyl-Methyl-Phosphonos-Fluoride

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Michael Gannon

“We have noticed over the last few years the rise
of small but extremely vocal anti-fluoride
group in Western Australia…”

Dr.Gannon ?mass medication

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AMA Vice Pres. WA

  He said ‘The Health Australia Partys opposition to
fluoride in the water supply  was flawed. Fluorosis India → HERE
Mmm – It seems like Andrew is not updating his facts…

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John Day MLA

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HON John Day BSc BDSc MLA

! Israel Has Ceased Fluoridation – Aug. 2014. !

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 DANGEROUS, DYSMORPHIC AND INDEFENSIBLE

Hembleton

Listen ↓

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↑  listen
This sound track available AGAIN!
Dr. Hambleton is talking to John Laws about fluoridation…
He says: 
Fluoride is safe and has not been shown to cause any
of the health 
concerns that people try to ascribe to it.

Editor’s comment: If  the AMA can not get this right, it is no surprise
that the public is losing confidence in this once prestigious organization …

See extract from an e-letter below sent to us from one of our readers
after hearing Dr. Hambleton talking to John Laws:

❝ … I was recently forwarded an audio file of a radio interview you did with John Laws in July, [2012] and I am shocked by the misleading, inaccurate and downright untrue statements you
made in that interview on the subject of water fluoridation…”

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John-Paul Langbrock

He seems a nice family man, but his dental background and his
outspoken support of fluoridation for the State of Queensland
rates him a mention in this Rogues Gallery.
Endorsements are not scientific facts.

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FLAGITIOUS

Shanti Sivaneswaran

Principal Advisor, Ministry of Health;
Senior Lecturer, University of Sydney
Shanti_Sivaneswaran@wsahs.nsw.gov.au
Extract from her writings 

❝…However, public support for water fluoridation decreases during campaigns involving plebiscites/referendums because of the myriad of tactics and propaganda used by anti-fluoridationists’, which run the gamut of conspiracy theories to scare mongering. One such tactic is to call upon experts, some of whom might even have legitimate scientific or academic credentials, to lend credence to their claims, as was in this case. As a result, voters would often choose the safer option of not fluoridating because of the difficulty in sorting fact from fiction or to judge which “authorities” to believe (4,6)…❞

“Ridicule is not a part of the scientific method and the
public should not be taught that it is.” –  Dr. A.  Hynek 

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Martin Strahan

He said all water had some naturally occurring fluoride in it,
but most had less than what was regarded as optimal for health.
One of these sub-groups consists of people with impaired kidney
function,
including subjects with nephropathic diabetes.

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Michael Moore

Chief Executive Officer,
Extract From: Submission
From The Public Health Association of Australia On
–  The Transparency Of The TGA  –
… All complaints about the promotion of therapeutic goods referred to
the TGA by [The] Complaint Resolution Committee (CRP), of the
Complementary Health Care Council, or handled direct
should be made publicly available as should the
action taken, the time line and the outcome.
The TGA’s ‘new’ policy on complaint
investigations only concerns
publishing the outcome of
‘certain’  investigations
into complaints about advertising
which have been referred by the CRP.  …

❝  The PHAA believes that ALL complaints referred to the TGA should be dealt with
expeditiously and transparently.
 Alternatively, the CRP should handle all
complaints and be given the power to enforce sanctions…
 ❞
 Editor’s note:
Well said sir, we can only hope that all complaints about fluoridation
receive your PROMPT attention in the near future. This web
site and many others can provide you with all the science
to show that fluoridation is not  “complementary”
to human, animal or plant health— therefore
please consider this web site as a complaint,
and have it dealt with expeditiously…
We are all waiting expectantly …

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Karin J. Alexander

Dr. Karin Alexander was the previous
Federal President of  the Australian Dental Association.

She spoke on Brisbane Radio 4BC (Feb. 2013)  She attempted to put
a good spin on fluoridation
 – no science quoted, but some nonsense
e.g. Fluoride is only a mineral supplement
-it occurs naturally, and breaks down naturally. [?] And dismissed the
interviewer’s concerns
 about medicating the community
without their permission. “ The ADA continues to be
dismayed with the scare mongering from
fringe groups

FACTOID…
The ADA have been repeating triceratillion times
the same old fossilised message for 50 + years:
Chant F. Safe...
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”

Extract Burton letter f

See full text → HERE

And more recently:
❝ The ADA continues to be dismayed with the scaremongering
from fringe groups,  [see list of nobel prize winners],

that lack consideration of the scientific evidence
of the significant benefits for dental health
that occurs from the fluoridation
of  water supplies.❞

So much cleverness, $kill and $cience,
contaminated by commerce.

Justice-rIS FLUORIDATION A CRIME ? Justice-l

CRIMINAL  ACCOMPLICES:

One who knowingly, voluntarily, and with common intent unites with the principal offender in the commission of a crime. One who is in some way concerned or associated in commission of crime; partaker of guilt; one who aids or assists, or is an AccessoryOne who is guilty of complicity in crime charged, either by being present and aiding or abetting in it, or having advised and encouraged it, though absent from place when it was committed, though mere presence, Acquiescence, or silence, in the absence of a duty to act, is not enough, no matter how reprehensible it may be, to constitute one an accomplice. One is liable as an accomplice to the crime of another if he or she gave assistance or encouragement or failed to perform a legal duty to prevent it with the intent thereby to promote or facilitate commission of  the crime.
Just following orders didn’t work as a defence for the Nazis and

it shouldn’t work for those who poison our water supply either!

Your choice ...

About 'Choice'

“This Public Health Service, unfortunately,
has locked itself into a position where it
has made this statement on the record
that there is absolutely no hazard to
fluoridating public water supplies
and the matter is closed.
Now, that, of course,
is immedately a unscientific approach.”

Ralph Nader, Consumer Advocate, 1971

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LETTERS TO CITY HALL

 HERE ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ HERE !

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Copying and distributing any of this information is encouraged
by us in the interest of transparency and accountability.
Off-line copies are maintained by us to insure documents are never ‘lost’.

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Issues involving lead, mercury, other dangerous chemicals and radioactive
isotopes are relative and seriously associated, as they are made
more dangerous with added fluorides. Fluorides used 
for the water supplies, war gases, medications,
industrial processes and agriculture
need to be understood
and recognised.

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Those who promote fluoridation will hang their heads in shame as the
truth is made more public, and history will turn on them.
They will be vilified and hated.
The citizens will be unforgiving, as their trust has been breached.
We are therefor pleased to present the links below. 

F. Prof. who Converted

Nobel prize winners

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CRIMINAL CODE – SECT 45 – (Queensland)

OUR “INNOCENT INTENTIONS” –
It is lawful for any person—
(a)  to endeavour in good faith to show that the Sovereign
has been mistaken in any of Her counsels; or
(b)  to point out in good faith errors or defects in the
government or Constitution of the United Kingdom or
of Queensland as by law established, or in legislation, or
in the administration of justice, with a view to the
reformation of such errors or defects; or
(c)  to excite in good faith Her Majesty’s subjects to attempt
to procure by lawful means the alteration of any matter
in the State as by law established; or
(d)  to point out in good faith in order to their removal any
matters which are producing or have a tendency to
produce feelings of ill will and enmity between different
classes of Her Majesty’s subjects…

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