PFAS, PFOS, PFOA Contamination – A Problem For Everyone

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Australian Defence was warned 30 years ago that the chemicals
in its firefighting foam should be handled as a toxic waste...

[ They are mostly used for regular fire fighting practice/training. ]

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“Stop trying to downplay the seriousness of this issue.
They are incredibly serious toxins, and it is a real
worry for those people living around them”.
- Mariann Lloyd-Smith,
National Toxics Network Senior Advisor

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It has rendered some farm land unusable, property
values have plummeted, and residents have
been unable to drink their bore water.

The bonding of two chemicals – being fluorine and carbon in 1940
seemed to be a huge break through for many new processes,
however the health risks were found some time later.
These products have been banned in 171 countries
though not yet banned in Australia. ?

Fluorides are “Protected Pollutants” in Australia!
If the truth about this chemical had not been covered up
for so long the problems listed below may never have occurred.
Legislation is always years behind when the environment is involved.

Governments are slow to deal with hazardous chemicals
- far too slow for the environment…

Our Comment:

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 In May of 2009, PFOS was added to Annex B of the

Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants

  Notice the ‘F’s. for Fluoride 


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Firefighting Foam Policy – Queensland Gov.

»→  FLUORIDE FREE FOAM IS AVAILABLE  ←«

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EDITORS COMMENT:
The RAAF once used harmless,
environmentally friendly, fermented blood

 and bone, and liquorice to make fire fighting foam.
It was also great to make the grass grow, I know, I used it!

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30 [+] Aust. Defence Bases Contaminated With (PFOA)

There appears to be more concern being shown to landholders
who have had their land contaminated by AFFF (PFOS)
than concern for the mental health and wellbeing
of the serving members who handled this
concentrated product…  ↓ ↓ ↓

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“… some studies suggest that almost every person on Earth
has them in their bloodstream, which gives some
indication of  The scale of the problem…”

Denis O’Carroll said this is important as where other contaminants 
might stay in water or soil, PFAS are extremely stable and can 
travel easily from water to soil to animals to fish to humans.

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18 Dec. 2018

The ‘F.’ Word, is OK in Europe 

The EU recognizes fluoride errors and
lowers recommendations dramatically.

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Six diseases linked to PFOA: US study finds

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Dr. Mariann Lloyd-Smith

The new levels issued by the EPA in the US are 0.07 parts per BILLION
for both PFOA and PFOS. Both chemicals have been linked
with a range of disorders, including thyroid issues,
pregnancy complications and high cholesterol.
EPA report also details possible connection between
PFOS and bladder, colon and prostate cancer.

HER MORE RECENT COMMENTS

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“National Toxics Network and International POPs Elimination
Network senior adviser Mariann Lloyd-Smith
 said the chemicals

– PFOS, PFOA or PFHxS – previously used in some firefighting foams were
toxic and bio-accumulative–building up in all living organisms including humans,
were intergenerational, being passed from mother to child and capable of long
range transport and thus found in the Arctic and Antarctic. ‘Most importantly,
they are so persistent, they have no way of breaking down so what is
released to the environment is with us for all time,’ she said.”

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prof-j-giesyFairfax Media can now reveal that Professor Giesy was accused
of covertly doing 3M’s bidding in a widespread international campaign
 to suppress academic research on the dangers of PFAS chemicals. 

PROF. ‘BRAGGED ABOUT BURYING BAD $CIENCE’ ON 3M CHEMICALS

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ITEM 1.

Plasma Perfluoroalkyl and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances Concentration
and Menstrual Cycle Characteristics in Preconception Women

Wei Zhou,1* Lulu Zhang,2,3* Chuanliang Tong,4 Fang Fang,1 Shasha Zhao,1 Ying Tian,1 Yexuan Tao,2,3 Jun Zhang1 and for the Shanghai Birth Cohort Study

Our study found that increased exposure to PFOA, PFOS, PFNA, and PFHxS was associated with higher odds of irregular and long menstrual cycle and lower risks of menorrhagia in women who plan to be pregnant. In contrast, women with higher levels of PFOA, PFNA, and PFHxS were more likely to have hypomenorrhea.

Full text » HERE ←« Important

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ITEM 2.

Zürich Statement on Future Actions on Per- 
and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances (PFASs)

  Not good bedtime reading!  

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FIRST FIREFIGHTING FOAM COMPENSATION RECIPIENT  ’Gratefully Relieved’

red-line-copyPer-and poly-fluoroalkyl substances (PFAS) are a group of man-made fluoride based chemicals that have been widely used since the 1950s, in household and industrial products that resist, oil, stains, heat, grease and water. This includes non-stick cookware, food packaging, stain protection applications to fabric, furniture and carpet, and firefighting foams. Since 1970, firefighting foams containing PFAS were used extensively in Australia and elsewhere due to their effectiveness in fighting liquid fuel fires. 

PFOA and PFOS are the best known members of a group of manmade chemicals known as per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances, or PFASs. Highly fluorinated chemicals are unrivalled in their utility because their carbon fluorine bond is nearly unbreakable under natural conditions. When chains of carbon-fluorine bonds are linked together, they form water- and oil-resistant coatings on clothing, carpets, and cookware that will not wash away, dissipate with extreme heat, or fade in sunlight over extended use.

The same basic carbon-fluorine chains can also create robust firefighting products able to withstand, and even extinguish, the blazes of scorching aircraft fires.  But the durability that make these chemicals useful also makes them a concern. They persist in the environment for thousands of years, affecting us and future generations as an everlasting legacy.

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“The Australian Federal Government should not use toxic
fire fighting foam.”  Research completed by US, lawyer -
- Isobel Roe - 26 Sep. 2016

The Australian Government is wasting time and money by failing to acknowledge US studies into a toxic foam chemical, a US lawyer who led a class action against the makers of the toxin has said.

The chemical perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) was in a firefighting foam that has leeched into groundwater beneath at least 30 Australian Defence bases including the Oakey Aviation Base on the Darling Downs.

It has rendered some farm land unusable, property values have plummeted, and residents have been unable to drink their bore water.

The same chemical was contained in Teflon and found in a West Virginian Town Water Supply the late 1990s, sparking legal action against Teflon manufacturer DuPont, and eventually won a $US70 million settlement for almost 70,000 people who might have been exposed to the contaminated water.

Kentucky-based lawyer Robert Bilott brought the class action on behalf of the residents and said he had been watching Australia’s response to the growing contamination issue with interest.

“A lot of time and a lot of resources can be saved by the fact that a lot of this very complicated and expensive research has already been done,” Mr Bilott said.

“I think it would be important to take advantage of the data that already exists so it’s not a delayed response to folks who are drinking this.”

Six diseases linked to PFOA: US study finds

The Australian Defence Department maintains there is no strong links between PFOA and serious human health effects.

Queensland Health advice said adverse health effects had been found in animals but not in humans.[?]

But as part of the US class action, an independent scientific panel spent more than $US30 million studying the chemical and its human health effects.

“One of the things that was remarkable about it was they ended up getting blood data from 69,000 people in that community,” Mr Bilott said.

“They ended up concluding that there was six disease linked to drinking this chemical in your water for over a year and that was kidney cancer, testicular cancer, ulcerative colitis, thyroid disease, preeclampsia and high cholesterol.

“And that data is out there.”

Mr Bilott also raised concerns about Australia’s drinking guidelines for the chemical.

An independent review by a toxicologist released earlier this month found Australia should maintain its standards for the chemical, despite a decision by the United States Environment Protection Agency to dramatically lower what it considered safe.

“It’s the same chemical, it’s the same science and it’s the same knowledge, so I’m not quite sure why there would be any distinction,” Mr Bilott said.

A frequently asked questions document on the Defence Department website said the United States health study could not be used in Australia. [?]

“The findings of this health study could have been impacted by many location- and population-specific factors [for example, routes of exposure, background conditions and lifestyle factors], which cannot necessarily be translated to the Oakey community,” the document read.

“In addition, many factors can influence a person’s health and therefore it is challenging to link a person’s health issue unequivocally to PFOS [perfluorooctane sulfonate] and PFOA exposure.”

The Federal Government is undertaking its own epidemiological study of the human health effects of the PFOA chemical. [?]

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The New Asbestos!

ABC News-Impacts of PFOS and PFOA

     PROBLEMS WITH AUSTRALIAN MILITARY FIRE FIGHTING CHEMICALS:
It was revealed in September 2015

The chemicals had leaked from Williamtown Air Force base into ground and surfacewater, prompting bans on bore water and closing fishing grounds. “Stop trying to downplay the seriousness of this issue. They are incredibly serious toxins, and it is a real worry for those people living around them.-”
Mariann Lloyd-Smith, National Toxics Network senior advisor. – The New South Wales

Environment Protection Authority (EPA) has started a statewide investigation into the historical use of the firefighting foam.

The Unfolding Scandal of  Toxic Water in Australian Communities:


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Some say this is the worst pollution in Australia’s history,
but all the Australian
media, except »→  ABC TV  ’Four Corners’  ←« are ignoring it !

↑ WATCH ↑

The “Protected Pollutant”  - The ‘FLUORIDE’ word was NOT mentioned by the ABC ?  The Federal Government could face compensation claims across New South Wales, Queensland and the Northern Territory, after the Department of Defence admitted it was slow to warn people about groundwater contamination from Army Air Bases.

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    A lawyer leading the class action in the southern Queensland town of Oakey said he would soon head to the NT town of Katherine to speak to locals about a joint lawsuit there in the wake of this week’s revelations on the ABC’s Four Corners program.
On the program, a Defence official admitted they should have issued warnings three years earlier about toxic firefighting foam pollution from Army bases. The department said the cost to taxpayers to clean up the problem nationwide would likely amount to hundreds of millions of dollars.

About 500 people are part of a class action in Oakey, where the toxic compounds PFOS and PFOA [ which contain fluoride ] have spread into groundwater and soil on surrounding properties.
In NSW, residents near the RAAF Williamtown base launched their 
own class action last year.

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Fluorides are “Protected Pollutants”
The use of the “F” word is censored in
the Australian media. Fluorides can only
be refer to in glowing terms and associated
with “dental health” ! ! !

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Professor Nicholas Buckley

“Dragged” into this research project-

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He has been handed a Poisoned Chalice.
We all wish him well here at
‘Fluoridation Queensland’ – Previously known as:
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We do not envy him his job. He will have
interference from the dental lobby,
or some resistance. Fluoride
is their sacred cow !

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EPA Victoria – April 2019

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Draft of Version 2 of the PFAS
National Environmental Management Plan

“The environmental and potential human health impacts
from exposure to a group of manufactured chemicals
 known as PFAS (per-and poly-fluoroalkyl substances) 
are of increasing concern worldwide.”
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Note: The ‘F’ word – Fluoride, is not mentioned? ]

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MORE HERE

…..At least 4,700 PFAS variants are ↑ available on the global market.

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Lawsuit Reveals How Paid Expert Helped 3M 
“Command the Science” on Dangerous Chemicals

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THE PFOA MOLECULE DOSE NOT DEGRADE OVER TIME

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NOTICE ALL THE ‘Fs’ ↑ ↑ ↑  & here ↓  ↓  ↓

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NOTICE ALL THE ‘fluoro’s  here ↓  ↓  ↓

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Full news paper clipping  » HERE

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November 2017
‘Biological Cleavage of the C–P Bond in
Perfluoroalkyl Phosphinic Acids in
Male Sprague-Dawley Rats and
the Formation of Persistent
and Reactive Metabolites’
→  HERE  

Spanish Research - Nov 2017 

Exposure to Perfluoroalkyl Substances and Metabolic Outcomes in Pregnant Women:
Evidence from the Spanish INMA Birth Cohorts

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Full Report  ⇒ HERE

Problems with firefighting foam Indiana USA

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PROBLEMS WITH FIRE RETARDANTS

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RELATED STORY: Public meeting over Williamtown contamination incident

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A toxic chemicals campaigner says it is misleading to claim the health impacts of firefighting foam at the centre of the Williamtown water contamination are not yet understood.

The chemicals, PFOS and PFOA, have also been discovered at two Fire and Rescue NSW training bases in Sydney’s west and in the Illawarra.

Perfluorooctane sulfonate (PFOS) and perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) are man-made chemicals belonging to the group known as perfluorinated chemicals (PFCs).

It was revealed in September 2015 the chemicals had leaked from Williamtown Air Force base into ground and surface water, prompting bans on bore water and closing fishing grounds.

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“Stop trying to downplay the seriousness of this issue. They are incredibly serious toxins, and it is a real worry for those people living around them”.

- Mariann Lloyd-Smith, National Toxics Network Senior Advisor

 Environment Protection Authority (EPA) has started a statewide investigation into the historical use of the firefighting foam.

The EPA said its investigation into PFOS and PFOA will focus on sites where the chemicals may have been used in large quantities including airports, firefighting training facilities and industrial sites.

In a statement last month, Fire and Rescue NSW (FRNSW) said international research was yet to fully understand the ecological impacts, if any, and there was “no proven direct link to any adverse health effects”.

Commissioner Greg Mullins said FRNSW withdrew the use of these foams for both firefighting and training progressively until they were fully eliminated in 2007 as information emerged on possible hazards associated with PFCs.

But National Toxics Network senior advisor Mariann Lloyd-Smith said there was a wealth of evidence.

“To say that we don’t fully understand or there’s not a direct proven link is misleading,” she said.

“One can only wonder if it’s an attempt to protect their liability.

“People need to know these are incredibly serious toxins.

“These are chemicals that we really need to address quickly, with as much precaution as we possibly can to protect humans and, of course, the wildlife and the environment.”

Dr Lloyd-Smith is urging the Fire and Rescue NSW to stop downplaying the impacts of the firefighting foam.

She said she had a message for the Commissioner Greg Mullins.

“Stop trying to downplay the seriousness of this issue,” she said.

“They are incredibly serious toxins, and it is a real worry for those people living around them.

“Warn the population, start working out how you’re going to be able to compensate people, start protecting your population, which is really the job,” Dr Lloyd-Smith said.

Staff and community highest priority, Commissioner said

In a statement on Thursday, FRNSW said it “is consulting with the Department of Health and the Fire Brigade Employees Union whilst taking a cautious, measured approach”.

“The safety of our staff and the community are our highest priority,” Commissioner Mullins said.

“Together with the EPA we have arranged for more comprehensive testing, with results expected to take several more weeks.

“FRNSW will work with a range of other agencies including local councils, water authorities, Department of Health, and NSW EPA to ensure any potential risk of PFC contamination outside of the training sites is identified and limited.

“We will act immediately on any expert advice concerning health or environmental impacts,” he said.

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PFOAs And Newborns

       In 2007, the shocking results of a study conducted at the John Hopkin’s Medical Centre
(Bethesda, MD) showed that levels of the toxic PFOA were found in 100%
of a sample of almost 300 newborns, delivered at the hospital.

Samples of umbilical chord blood were also shown to contain varying levels of PFOS.
Asians (6 ng/ml) had the highest concentration, followed by Blacks (5.1 ng/ml)
and Whites (4.2 ng/ml).
Males babies had higher PFOS and PFOA than females.

Obese and underweight mothers had slightly higher concentrations than
women of normal weight.

Other studies have found that some of the highest levels of
PFOA and PFOS have been in children.

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PFAS Treatment & Management

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FLUORIDE FOAM SPILLED AT BRISBANE AIRPORT ENTERS RIVER

PFOS & PFOA In The Environment

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EXTRACT FROM:

Contamination of Australian Defence Force Facilities and other
Commonwealth, State and Territory Sites in Australia  – Submission 34
Submission to the Senate Inquiry into AFFF Contamination at RAAF Base Williamtown

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…In relation to pollution and contamination, the environmental policy developed at this time (2001-2003) recognised there was a 200-year legacy of contaminated sites on and off the Defence estate. Literally thousands of instances of legacy contamination were already known to exist at Defence sites (many of which dated from WWII) – including contamination arising from ordnance use (conventional and chemical), landfills and burial pits, fuel leaks, chemicals (including cocktails of hydrocarbon solvents), metals – including mercury, and even radioactive materials. In this context, it was not the case that there was a shortage of issues that needed to be dealt with – the risk posed by fugitive AFFF was one of the many being considered at the time.

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During 2002 I had several conversations and received reports from my regional environmental colleagues and other personnel located at Defence sites, about fish-kills that had been observed following the accidental, incidental or deliberate release of fire fighting foam into aquatic environments.
Testing and training practices and/or maintenance of critical fire fighting equipment would occur routinely at many Defence sites, often as part of a daily, weekly or periodic routine. This equipment included the familiar aviation fire trucks, as well as the automated fire protection systems built into aircraft hangars.
At that time these reports related to RAAF Base Richmond and RAAF Base Amberley where I recall fish kills had been observed, on occasions, in Rickebys Creek (Richmond) and Warrill Creek (Amberley), that adjoin these sites…
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PFOS and PFOA are increasingly being phased out of modern foams.
Concentrations in human blood appear to be decreasing in the 
US, although they are still rising in China. Today they remain
significant residual contaminants at many sites globally,
for example, at many of the world’s 49,000 airports
including 450 civilian and military
airports in Australia
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Just get rid of the non-stick fry pan...

 Pet Birds and Teflon Poisoning

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PFAS – Katherine Times

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TGA POISONS STANDARD 2009 (fluoride)

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 “Fluoride is not essential for human growth and development”
- The European Commission  [SCHER 2011]

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The main purpose of this page is to demonstrate
that fluorides ARE pharmacological chemicals,
and dangerous, contrary to statements by
some members of the dental industry.

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Extract from page 131:

APPENDIX F

WARNING STATEMENTS AND GENERAL SAFETY DIRECTIONS FOR POISONS 

Warning Statements and Safety Directions

It is the responsibility of the manufacturer, packer and supplier of a drug or poison to ensure that the purchaser or user of a product is given sufficient information to be able to use it correctly and safely.

Under poisons legislation, scheduled substances, which may be harmful to the user, must be labelled with appropriate warning statements and/or safety directions. The selection of warning statements and safety directions will depend on the formulation of the product, and the use for which it is sold or supplied …

 FULL ORIGINAL TEXT 

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 The TGA requires ALL medications come supplied with a published
full disclosure of ALL known side effects.

This is NOT being done by the water suppliers using fluorides,
a legally recognised medication
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Fluoridation is Mass Medication,
 New Zealand Supreme Court Rules

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PFAS, PFOS, PFOA – A Fluoride Contamination Problem For Everyone

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Medical Monopoly

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 See also  

MSDS-Sodium Fluoride and Sodium Fluorosilicate Powder +

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Michael Foley’s Fluoride Fan Club +

” Dr Michael Foley again went quiet when the
issue of  daily fluoride dosage came up.”

Margaret Strelow Rocky. Mayor  Dr Foley would do well to do a little research and read comments made by councillors themselves before he makes public statements about the reason why councillors – after considering both sides of the argument – voted against fluoride in the water,” Cr Strelow said.

“His ill-informed reactionary comments are an example of the type of behaviour which has contributed to this issue being such an emotive one within the broader community. I would have expected better from a man in his position.”

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Pro-fluoridationist Dr. Foley is blinded by a diabolical ideology, which does not allow him to draw rational conclusions. (Recent debate Mackay – (Sept. 2016)
His ideology is hostile to science, logic and history. His recent claim that fluoride does no harm to the thyroid gland is a typical response when he is out of his depth in fluoridated water. - See below ↓

Iodine is a halogen.
The halogens are a series of non-metal elemants:

                    Fluorine, F
                    Chlorine, Cl
                    Bromine, Br
                    Iodine, I 
                    Astatine, At

The problem is that fluoride is a ‘bully‘. Any time an atom of fluoride
and an atom of any other halogen are in the same vicinity, the
fluoride will displace the other halogen and take its place.
      - Dr. Terry Tennant, MD, MD(H), PSc.,D

This is universal, probably throughout time and most likely
throughout the cosmos. We realise that dentists will see
this as yet another threat to their constant claims of
fluoridation’s safety, but to claim otherwise
is to fly in the face of true science.

See also the → Periodic Table of the Elements

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Sorry Mr. Foley, fluorides DO cause delayed
eruption of teeth 
in animals and humans.

See extracts below – page 129. If  you do not know this basic,
we all think you should consider dropping your title of doctor.

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extract sheep delayed eruptionMichael Foley claims on delayed eruption are NOT valid -

See also HERE and HERE and HERE and HERE

Delayed Eruption France 1999

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See Queensland Government Research on Sheep:
Go to page 129 – Delayed Eruption, – book (A) below 

  Fluorosis Merino Sheep Queensland (a) (A)

 Fluorosis Merino Sheep Queensland (B) (B)

  Fluorosis Merino Sheep Queensland (c) (C)

Other animals not happy about Fluoride → HERE

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Fluoride and Hypothyroidism

- ADVANCES IN FLUORIDE RESEARCH -

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Most of the so-called ‘conspiracy theory’ talk comes from the pro-fluoridation
lobby, 
not anti
-fluoridation campaigners concerned with presenting
the ethical and 
scientific case against fluoridation.

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EPA Scientist Blasts EPA’s Safe Drinking Water Standard for Fluoride

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Fluoride & Plants
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 →» When Gerry Adams And Ian Paisley Worked Together  «←

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Fluorine has NO known metabolic role in mammals in fact 
a few plants synthesize organofluorine poisons that deter herbivores.

M. Foley Sept. 2016

Dear Michael, it may time to re-read The Code of Ethics of
The International Association for Dental Research (IADR)
of which you are a member!

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Sir Edward Dunlop spoke out against fluoridation!

 Anti-Fluoride Groups were called ‘lunatic, conspiracy, fringe’
by Michael Foley – Brisbane Courier Mail – 2 Oct 2016.
We may be lunatics, but we are not fringe – very
few countries still fluoridate their water.

Many Queensland Shires, voters, whole nations, scientist, including
Nobel Prize Winners  may not be impressed by his angry outbursts.

TGA POISONS STANDARD 2009 (fluoride)

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“First do no harm.”

“primum nil nocere.”

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This is NOT about fluoride but it has legal implication for Michael Foley:
  Mass Action of Liability  

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“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
 Socrates

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  BIASES – EXAMPLES IN THE 2016 NHMRC DRAFT REPORT  

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  ADVANCES IN FLUORIDE RESEARCH  

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White Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics.”
        ~ Mark Twain ~ [Sir Charles Dilke]

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Merilyn Haines is absolutely correct when she says that most Australian doctors know very little about the adverse health effects of fluoride. I have skeletal fluorosis, and am fluoride sensitive, with many symptoms. For years I tried to find a doctor who could help me, but they couldn’t help. Eventually I figured out for myself that the problem was fluoride, mainly from fluoridated water. By that stage I had such severe joint problems that I could barely do the most basic things required to look after myself, and I am not old. Eight years later, most of my symptoms have disappeared or greatly improved, but even though there has been great improvement with my joints my activity is still severely restricted. Skeletal fluorosis can be permanent if it progresses too far. Michael Foley is a shameless hypocrite and liar, who should be in jail. If he wants to see poor quality research, he need only look at that which he and his fellow fluoridationists rely on. If anyone wants more information, they could start with the Fluoride Action Network website, Declan Waugh’s work, the journal Fluoride, and the 2006 US National Research Council report on fluoride in drinking water. There are also some good Australian websites.

 Posted by: Joe Bloggs | 12 March 2013 at 02:54 AM

 If in doubt leave it out! Good on you Merylin Hines, I’m with you 100%. I was always made to believe that cavaties where caused by sugary foods? Let’s ban companys like Coca cola from destroying our communities teeth? But typical of todays model of medicine we deny food and nutrition and run around looking for the next magical elixer to market and sell. I don’t want chemicals added to my water thankyou, yet I am denied this simple human right as long as I live in a flurodated region.

 Posted by: Matthew 12 March 2013 at 09:41 AM

 The Australian Constitution is there to limit the powers the re-representatives (not nannies) excise over we the people. We’ve never at Referendum approved of this industrial waste mass medication. I’m a big boy now and my children know how to use a tooth brush. Take that waste product out of the municipal drinking water until such a time as we the people in the majority ask for it via Referendum.

 Posted by: Rodney Stevens | 12 March 2013 at 10:41 AM

 Dr Michael Foley again went quiet when the issue of daily fluoride dosage came up. Thing is, the whole topic should be mute as Dr Michael Foley is not my doctor. ABC, when did it become legal for governments and dentists to force dosages on Australians? Permission has never been given thus why the medical indemnity protection is in place to protect those like Dr Michael Foley. Why do they need protection from something they say is safe? Doctors used to indorse smoking as well. Dr Michael Foley, you are not my doctor. Dr Michael Foley, you are not my nanny. 95% of world agree with me.

 Posted by: Rodney Stevens | 12 March 2013 at 11:51 AM

 I don’t want fluoride in my water – that should be enough!

 Why should I have it when I don’t want it and don’t need it – or
is Queensland Health the new unelected dictatorship of Queensland?

 Posted by: Colin Bishop | 12 March 2013 at 12:02 PM

 No I do not want fluoride in the water…natural water full of healthy minerals, flows constantly beneathe the ground, for us all to drink.

However, if we keep polluting the natural water, via coal seam gas and chemicals, then heaven help us….but then again, maybe it is already helping us, with all the floods that Queensland has recently experienced….maybe these floods are flushing out these toxic chemicals from our water supplies. I guess we humans had better get over and on with the fact, that nature overides nurture, every time, regards.

 Posted by: Rev. Michelle De La Rente | 12 March 2013 at 12:07 PM

 Well Foley should have asked to provide the study done by the NHMRC and TGA CDC and the FDA ….NONE done and their push to fluoridate is flawed. The enviromental problems:

As for litigation one needs to look back at Germany and damage done 100 rears ago.
Approximately 17 million Litres of poison water is released into the environment annually.
This run off also effects the Great Barrier Reef via rivers.

 *Economically wasteful..

100% water is fluoridated ..
40% lost in leaks before you get it.
40% into the environment where it is not supposed to go
of the 60% left 7/8 used by industry and farmers
the 1/8 left that comes in to your house you drink less than 1% of it.
You water the lawn, flush the toilet, take baths you do all sorts of things
with but you are not drinking it..

Your drinking less than 1% of the 1% and if you look at the number of
children with a so called tooth problems it is about 3% of the population.
We now have 3% of population drinking of the 3% of 1% of 1/8 of 60%
of all the water you bothered to fluoridate, so is this the way to
deliver an illegal medication to those who don’t drink the water supply
in the first place ???.

 Posted by: | 12 March 2013 at 01:22 PM

 It’s pretty rich of Merilyn Haines to say that calling fluoride natural is “misleading”.
I can count a number of times she can be considered misleading;

 - “industrial waste”: table salt is always table salt no matter if it’s from a salt lake or urea.

– “600 mg of lead”: that is 0.6% of the fluoride mix. When diluted down to 1 part per million, this lead is 6 parts per billion!- pointing to these trace chemicals is in itself misleading, when the argument is about fluoride.
– She focuses on the results of adult tooth decay in children (teeth without much time to have developed tooth decay) as opposed to baby teeth.- She misrepresents the 2007 NSW Dental Health Survey, which concluded far less fluorosis and a noted difference in tooth decay between fluoridated and non-fluoridated regions.
– She doesn’t name the study, but previously when she talks about osteosarcoma, she has been referring to Bassin et al (2006). The researchers behind this study couldn’t replicate the appearance of osteosarcoma and stressed caution in drawing the relationship.

 Dr Foley did a great job, but it made no difference to her position regardless how often he corrected her.

 I’ve been following this fluoridation matter for a few months now and I am amazing by how they interact with the science. For instance the 2007 NSW survey or the Bassin paper; neither support their position and yet, even when this is brought to their attention, they continue to use them as though the papers do.

 Posted by: Moth | 12 March 2013 at 03:45 PM

 Wow this is a great debate from ABC regarding Fluoride in drinking water. It provides views from both sides of the argument and clearly highlights the major difference, one side is based on ideology, the other on research and facts.

 If you have any doubts or questions regarding the Fluoride debate, take the time and listen.

 It is really worth it.

 Posted by: kate | 12 March 2013 at 04:37 PM

 Marilyn Haines, made very valid points. Take fluoride out of the water supply. The best way is to prevent tooth decay is to apply it directly to the teeth. Michael Foley tried to discredit her but what he did not say that no amount of water will save baby teeth from the affect of dinking sugar laden juice etc. and being too young to clean their teeth before they go to sleep.

 Posted by: V McVety | 13 March 2013 at 11:42 AM

Fluorosis is caused by an intake of too much fluoride over a period of time, from a various of sources including tap water. Duhh?? Great debate Merilyn Haines… Too bad I couldn’t listen to it all, it was cut and inaccessible just after you mentioned your sister.. Shame.

 Posted by: Britz | 13 March 2013 at 12:25 PM

 Dr Michael Foley is just another classic example of why we, as a Nation, are in such a poor state of Health ..

Shame on you Dr Foley .. Your ignorance is “bliss”
Posted by: Glenn Williams | 14 March 2013 at 07:48 AM

 What a great debate.

Foley is yet another blind, myopic, ignorant and myopic ego bound “professional” who as a dentist would use DISTILLED WATER to clean his dental equipment (search [ autoclave ].

In hearing this recording, now many times, I personally can see at least 20 mistakes that Foley makes. He would not debate me as he would lose.
I would really like to see a record of where Dr. Foley has received his income over time, if or not he has accepted directly or indirectly any payments, inducements or ‘favors’ in any form from any associated with the HUGE fluoride proponents.
This is simple:
Do not fluoridate drinking water – let people decide. This arrogance of nanny state forced medication is a simple debate.

     Posted by: Phillip | 30 December 2013 at 12:01 PM

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29 Queensland Councils Have Rejected Fluoridation - 

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Published Research Findings – Why Most Are False

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Fluoridation Finished in Israel – Final

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Fluorides, Zinc and Anorexia Nevosa

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Fluorosis in India

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Links To Fluoridation Webs Around The World

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‘Silent Spring’ which has sold more than two million copies,
made a powerful case for the idea that if humankind
poisoned nature, nature would in
turn poison humankind!

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